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Posted 23 September 2010 - 07:28 AM

So here's the master list of the voting.
Each Day I'll start a pole to vote on who should be in the top 20 greatest players of all time. I hope everyone votes often.
Feel free to nominante players to be added to the daily pole.


NBA Boards 20 greatest players of all time
1. Michael 'Air' Jordan
2. Wilt 'The Stilt' Chamberlain
3. Bill Russell
4. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
5. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Jerry 'Mr. Clutch' West
8. Shaquille O'Neal
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Posted 23 September 2010 - 10:07 AM

sounds like a good idea, we'll see how well it matches up to my top 20 in my top 160 list.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 10:19 AM

I say make that 50.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 10:27 AM

let's see if we get enough votes and feedback/vote to get to 20 first.
things that are too long tend to fizzle out.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 11:17 AM

yeah, remember when I did the top 100 players currently in the NBA last year? By the late 80s like 2 people voted.


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 04:45 PM

I like the idea, this should keep me alive during the offseason.

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Posted 16 September 2011 - 09:13 PM

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:42 PM

Earl Monroe
Walt Frazier
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:41 AM

I really should start this up again eh?


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:02 AM

The list is retarded. Might as well restart.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:02 AM

Earl Monroe
Walt Frazier
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan


Did you just rank your own players wrong? :drink

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:48 AM

The list is retarded. Might as well restart.

eh, it was based on ppl voting on here, we should keep it as is. Not like the play of any of those guys should have changed anyones mind... although West that high is a bit much IMO.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:55 PM

Did you just rank your own players wrong? :drink

Wasn't ranking anyone. Just adding people that could be in the top 20..

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:06 PM

1 Michael Jordan
2 Bill Russell
3 Kareem Abdul Jabber
4 Magic Johnson
5 Larry Bird
6 Wilt Chamberlain
7 Tim Duncan
8 Kobe Bryant
9 Hakeem Olajuwan
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Shaquille O' Neal
13 Moses Malone
14 Elgin Baylor
15 John Havlicek
16 Karl Malone
17 Julius Erving
18 Bob Petite
19 Charles Barkley
20 Lebron James

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 08:04 PM

1 Michael Jordan
2 Bill Russell
3 Kareem Abdul Jabber
4 Magic Johnson
5 Larry Bird
6 Wilt Chamberlain
7 Tim Duncan
8 Kobe Bryant
9 Hakeem Olajuwan
10 Oscar Robertson
11 Jerry West
12 Shaquille O' Neal
13 Moses Malone
14 Elgin Baylor
15 John Havlicek
16 Karl Malone
17 Julius Erving
18 Bob Petite
19 Charles Barkley
20 Lebron James

I still don't see how people think Tim Duncan is better than Kobe Bryant. Let's be honest, TD is a product of a great system. Let's not kid ourselves about that. Replace TD with KG and the Spurs stand the EXACT SAME chance of success. Great player for sure, but when ranking players individually, you cant just go by their team success, that's 12-15 guys contributing. Not one. Kobe can do a million more things with the ball in his hands than TD could. Kobe even took TD's boring ass drop step and bank shot.

 

Okay, I gave this a lot of thought. I know I've made other lists in the past that might contradict this one. But who are we if we aren't challenging what we accept to be right? Anyway, all my previous list are null & void. Here is my new one:

 

#1. Wilt Chamberlain The most dominant force in NBA history. Dude could run a marathon, bang 6 women, party till noon, go have a steak, run to the game, play 48 minutes, get 45 points, 30 rebounds and 15 assists, run home, party all night, take a nap, wake up, go to another game, play another 48 minutes and get 65points,29rebounds and 19blocks, go home and repeat. Say this with me: There was NOBODY like him EVER.

 

BIG ASS GAP

 

#2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Greatest Center hands down, if Wilt never existed.

#3. Michael Jordan Greatest guard, but don't get fooled by the hype, he's not better than my top two.

#4. Magic Johnson One of only two guys who could dominate a game with only 2 points.

#5. Bill Russell The OTHER guy who could dominate a game with only 2 points. BTW, Bill Russell never had to punch his teamates in the face to be a great leader ;)

#6. Elgin Baylor Modern basketball. All of it. Doesn't exist without this man. Period.

#7. Larry Bird Look, top ten. Happy Celtic fans? Probably not, they will probably wonder why he's not #0 :P

#8. Jerry West Maybe the toughest dude ever to lace them up. This guy won Finals MVP and was ON THE LOSING TEAM. That's how great he was.

#9. Oscar Robertson 30.5 points, 10.1 rebounds and 9.7 assists. AS A ROOKIE. And this was back in the day when an assist only counted when you passed to a guy, and he went straight up with it. Not this loose ass shit we have today.

#10. Julius Erving Incredibly underrated all around game. Not sure I'd put him higher than #10 due to all the legends above him. But after much thought, there's no way I'm putting him out of the top ten.

 

Jordan is the only guy on this list that played in the most recent era. Not that I lack any respect for todays players but, they are hailed as heros for merely repeating what the legends in my list have already done. Even then only Kobe, LeBron and Duncan would have a shot at my top ten out of the current guys. Shaq is just out of the top ten, which then means that so is Duncan. Sorry TD, no way I'm putting you ahead of the Diesel!

 

I know this is only 10 and the thread is a top 20. But come on, I'm not doing all of that! lol maybe later.



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 06:48 AM

eh that looks like a list of most talented, not greatest player/career. No Shaq or Hakeem in that list is lacking too.

 

Shaq's career was definitely more impactfuol and successfull than Baylor,West,Oscar and Erving.

 

Oscar's early career success was due to pace, at today's pace with better team defenses, his numbers dip to excellent not jaw dropping. He's still a top 15 all time goat, but LeBron's had a better career vs stiffer competition.

 

If you play the game to win and all time greats heavily influence the outcome of games, Wilt can't be the all time GOAT. He put up super human stats but always dipped in the playoffs when teams took beating his teams more seriously and Wilt could never adjust his game to change the outcome of the games until 67.




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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:55 PM

eh that looks like a list of most talented, not greatest player/career. No Shaq or Hakeem in that list is lacking too.

 

Shaq's career was definitely more impactfuol and successfull than Baylor,West,Oscar and Erving.

 

Oscar's early career success was due to pace, at today's pace with better team defenses, his numbers dip to excellent not jaw dropping. He's still a top 15 all time goat, but LeBron's had a better career vs stiffer competition.

 

If you play the game to win and all time greats heavily influence the outcome of games, Wilt can't be the all time GOAT. He put up super human stats but always dipped in the playoffs when teams took beating his teams more seriously and Wilt could never adjust his game to change the outcome of the games until 67.

Yeah. Greatest players of alltime. You can't give a guy any more extra credit for being apart of a team that wins than a guy whose team can't win. Players don't have too much control over that. This is why a list like this is always up for debate some like to include team success while others consider the individual player without all the extra stuff.  The only exception to that is Bill Russell.

 

There is no way Shaqs career is more impactful than Elgin Baylor. Shaq didn't set the template for ever single player after him the way Baylor did. No Elgin Baylor = No Dr J, No Jordan, No Kobe, No LeBron...it goes on. For the record, Shaq was my first choice for #10, but I had to think about that very hard. He's #5 on my alltime Centers list. But when you add all the positions, he falls out of the top ten.

 

LeBron hasn't played against stiffer competition than Robertson. Oscar played in a league with no flopping, no flagrant fouls, no ticky tack fouls, no star treatment, no luxury of having 74 assistant coaches and trainers taking care of him...etc. The game today is perimeter oriented and there are no bigmen. Oscar Robertson would still put up those numbers. Assists are easy as hell to get these days. The only dip in his stats would be rebounding. Teams don't shoot as much today as back then. But his scoring would stay the same. If you can put up 30ppg, it doesn't matter what era you're in, you can score 30 damn points.

 

Wilt Chamberlain did things on the court that nobody will ever do again. It always baffled me why everybody jumped on the Jordan bandwagon. MJ played in the 90's against who? Greg Elo? lol please. The NBA changed the rules to protect him, Wilt got beat up, hacked and had to play through triple teams every single night. Every single team in the 1960's was the Bad Boy Pistons. Wilt didn't dominate simply because he was bigger and stronger, he dominated because he was more skilled and had a higher Basketball I.Q than anybody other than William Felton Russell. He was a once in a lifetime player that just happened enter the league in 1959. A time that fans today associate with "short white dudes" that's a terrible tragedy. Wilt dominated more hall of fame bigmen than any center of the 80's or 90's. The NBA scrambled to change how the game was played in an attempt to slow him down. If he entered the league today, we would all forget that LeBron guy...with todays nutrition, weight training, kineseology, dieting, 8 figure salaries, pampered lifestyles...lol Wilt would be even MORE unstoppable. Even today, he's the greatest athlete to ever play the game. You either got to be an old guy or totally go against the socially accepted norm to NOT put Jordan #1. 

 

 

EDIT: Oops, the playoff thing. I forgot. Many argue that Wilt Chamberlain's numbers dipped in the playoffs. Well, they went from astronomical to simply unbelievable. I don't call that underachieving or "choking". The playoffs are different. In the 1960's you played almost every day. You didn't prepare for teams that well in the regular season. The playoffs were where you had that chance. Not to mention that Wilt played with some shitbag coaches in his career. Alex Hannum and Bill  Sharman were the only coaches who weren't garbage compared to Red Auerbach. I always laughed at how Bill Simmons always talked about how Bill Russell having great teammates wasn't an issue. Sure it's overblown, and some of those HOF teamates may not have REALLY been HOF quality. But the point is still the same: Bill Russell played on a fucking stacked as shit team. He had the luxury to tailor his game to the TEAM. Not to mention the greatest coach of their era! Wilt certainly had talent around him. But to say that it was comparable to the talent that Russell had is completely wrong. Let's not kid ourselves, in the early 60's, if Wilt didn't score 40 points or more he lost. Not once in his entire career was that pressure ever put on Russell. When Wilt DID have comparable talent around him his teams usually won. The 67 76ers and the 72 Lakers set NBA records for most wins in a season. Wilt could certainly win when he had the help. Now I understand that the 1968 76ers were kind of a let down, along with the 1966 San Francisco Warriors so that I'll concede. But to say Wilt couldn't perform in the playoffs is a farce. Russell and Chamberlain played in 4 game 7's against each other and the Celtics won all 4 by a COMBINED 9 points. That's not choking and it isn't a let down. Luck had A LOT to do with many of those outcomes. A few breaks go differently and we are talking a completely different history here, and maybe some damn respect for Wilt Chamberlain for once. Also, in a playoff series one year, Wilt averaged 22points, 32rebounds and 9assists against Bill Russell. If THAT is a let down, then every single player in NBA history OTHER THAN WILT is very overrated.



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 11:38 PM

Shaq getting some major disrespect.

 

1. Shaq

2. Wilt

3. MJ

4. Larry Bird

5. Kareem

6. Magic

7. Hakeem

8. Julius Erving

9. Karl Malone

10. Moses Malone

 

I do like seeing Wilt getting some votes.... for once.






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